[Ushi]

1) I didn't notice any poison debuff on while Apply Deadly "buff" active, also it replaces poison "active buff" and vice versa ;( Junk stigma but must have if you want build physical based DPS assassin.

2) Ambush have a magic based stun? woot
Anyway it is another junk stigma, slot wasting... Too many glitches it have and useless in the air. Throw dagger > ambush

3) IMHO, fighter's builds based on MAGIC dps are pathetic. Only physical skills, leave all "magic" for mages.
Dash and Slash and Eye of Wrath stigmas must have.

4) And hides... Looks like only critters cannot detect hide 2 :S I guess this is most useless skill NCsoft ever did...

Thanks 4 ur attention :)

This post has been edited by Ushi: 27 October 2009 - 08:13 AM

[Moony]

Ambush is amazing...really. It's the only instant, on-demand stun we have available. Great for healers.

[branco]

I'm a bit far from having Throw dagger skill yet, but I was under the impression it can only be used in flight and not on the ground (the exact opposite of Ambush). So although they share CD time you actually need both.

Ushi said:

1) I didn't notice any poison debuff on while Apply Deadly "buff" active, also it replaces poison "active buff" and vice versa ;( Junk stigma but must have if you want build physical based DPS assassin.

2) Ambush have a magic based stun? woot
Anyway it is another junk stigma, slot wasting... Too many glitches it have and useless in the air. Throw dagger > ambush

3) IMHO, fighter's builds based on MAGIC dps are pathetic. Only physical skills, leave all "magic" for mages.
Dash and Slash and Eye of Wrath stigmas must have.

4) And hides... Looks like only critters cannot detect hide 2 :S I guess this is most useless skill NCsoft ever did...

Thanks 4 ur attention :)

[faction]

Ushi said:

1) I didn't notice any poison debuff on while Apply Deadly "buff" active, also it replaces poison "active buff" and vice versa ;( Junk stigma but must have if you want build physical based DPS assassin.

2) Ambush have a magic based stun? woot
Anyway it is another junk stigma, slot wasting... Too many glitches it have and useless in the air. Throw dagger > ambush

3) IMHO, fighter's builds based on MAGIC dps are pathetic. Only physical skills, leave all "magic" for mages.
Dash and Slash and Eye of Wrath stigmas must have.

4) And hides... Looks like only critters cannot detect hide 2 :S I guess this is most useless skill NCsoft ever did...

Thanks 4 ur attention :)

best post i ever read, thank u i agree all point.

[Ushi]

Well I was just expecting ppl will read this, and since than no one will buy ambush 5, sigil 6, shadow walking etc... so I can come and clean AH from those junk stigmas 10k for each :D

[Kyzara]

fairly good guide so far, however, what advanced stigma's do throw shuriken and Shadowwalk open?

As far as I know only Rune Burst, Rune Knife, Eye of Wrath, Blinding burst, Deadly Apply Poison, and Oath of Accuracy open advanced stigma options.

[blackcerberus]

I wonder why do you label 2/10 a stigma that, not only gives an effect that is a must-have in PvP (poison),hence has synergy with assassination, and is almost as good as having 2 stun godstones, each of which sell for several hundred millions in the asian servers.

yep,its not as good as the 2 godstones, but hey, it comes free and you still have the 2 godstone sockets empty for a somewhat similar effect


i mean, look at our stigmas. There are like 4 must have,and the rest range from very situational,to bad to pathetic,with a special mention to our advanced stigmas, which are the biggest crap in the whole game and to add insult to the injury have the most retarded requirements ever


with 8 stigma slots, do you seriously mean that ADP is a 2/10 and there are (at least) 8 better stigmas to slot ????? in your dreams

[faction]

Kyzara said:

fairly good guide so far, however, what advanced stigma's do throw shuriken and Shadowwalk open?

As far as I know only Rune Burst, Rune Knife, Eye of Wrath, Blinding burst, Deadly Apply Poison, and Oath of Accuracy open advanced stigma options.

advanced stigma requirements are all horrible, and the stigmas themselves aren't even very good. not even worth mentioning

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blackcerberus said:

I wonder why do you label 2/10 a stigma that, not only gives an effect that is a must-have in PvP (poison),hence has synergy with assassination, and is almost as good as having 2 stun godstones, each of which sell for several hundred millions in the asian servers.

yep,its not as good as the 2 godstones, but hey, it comes free and you still have the 2 godstone sockets empty for a somewhat similar effect


i mean, look at our stigmas. There are like 4 must have,and the rest range from very situational,to bad to pathetic,with a special mention to our advanced stigmas, which are the biggest crap in the whole game and to add insult to the injury have the most retarded requirements ever


with 8 stigma slots, do you seriously mean that ADP is a 2/10 and there are (at least) 8 better stigmas to slot ????? in your dreams

There's 7 stigmas that are definitely much better than ADP, you do have a wild card 8th stigma slot in the end though. Personally i'd probably use it on ADP just because I have no binds left for any new stigmas and it'd replace my old poison, but ADP is still a horrible ability. 2% chance to stun is not good anyway you look at it.

Ambush
Throw Shuriken
Shadow Walk
Sigil Strike/Rune Knife
Aethertwisting
Flurry
Blinding Burst

This post has been edited by faction: 27 October 2009 - 10:30 AM
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[Mephs]

Ushi said:

1) I didn't notice any poison debuff on while Apply Deadly "buff" active, also it replaces poison "active buff" and vice versa ;( Junk stigma but must have if you want build physical based DPS assassin.

It procs at the same 20% rate I am pretty sure, either way yes junk stigma.

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2) Ambush have a magic based stun? woot
Anyway it is another junk stigma, slot wasting... Too many glitches it have and useless in the air. Throw dagger > ambush

Ambush doesn't glitch that much for me, and while useless in the air, people are not flying 100% of the time. Its good to have options and for all purposes Ambush > Throw Dagger when it is available.

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3) IMHO, fighter's builds based on MAGIC dps are pathetic. Only physical skills, leave all "magic" for mages.
Dash and Slash and Eye of Wrath stigmas must have.

Dash & Slash doesn't look half bad being that its a mobility tool and mini nuke, the problem is that to get it you need a lot of crap stigmas, worth it? Probably not that necessary for what you have to sacrifice to get to it.

Eye of Wrath, I don't know if its a "must-have" but its definitely something I'd consider keeping around to experiment a bit more with.

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4) And hides... Looks like only critters cannot detect hide 2 :S I guess this is most useless skill NCsoft ever did...

Here's the thing, everything can detect you if you are flying & hidden, dont fly near mobs, land and then walk by them. Most ranger type mobs can see you, once you are familiar with things that detect hide and things that dont you shouldn't have a problem ever again.

On Rune Knife, I have been playing with it extensively and I can't think of a better stigma to get at 40+, and I'm not even exaggerating this, its the GREATEST thing to have not just for air combat, but for ground fighting too. When you have to kite a glad/templar/anyone I've found it much better to swap between bow and daggers using rune knife every CD, building 3 runes and then nuking. I can go 100% hp against a templar and ever get hit once, kill him without being touched now thanks to the rune generation of RK. Its not FAST rune generation but it is ranged damage and generation of runes all in one package.

If you are pursuing someone in the air, you still do the same thing (bow/pray for stun) except now you can build the runes while you chase and eventually land a pain rune.

Sigil Strike, the only problem with positive to it is that it is mobile rune carving, but it still wastes a slot for much other needed stigmas that are better.

The beast chain abilities aren't hard to get off, only in the air and we have ways to stun and get them up with Rune Knife & Throw Dagger + the occasional bow stun. You simply have to know how to "run ahead" of an opponent when fighting in the first place. I agree that sigil strike might be a better option if you can actually keep up with someone in aerial combat. As said, a scroll + flight speed gear covers just about all those issues, so you won't be able to stay on top of someone and hence where Rune Knife comes into play.

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faction said:

There's 7 stigmas that are definitely much better than ADP, you do have a wild card 8th stigma slot in the end though. Personally i'd probably use it on ADP just because I have no binds left for any new stigmas and it'd replace my old poison, but ADP is still a horrible ability. 2% chance to stun is not good anyway you look at it.

Ambush
Throw Shuriken
Shadow Walk
Sigil Strike/Rune Knife
Aethertwisting
Flurry
Blinding Burst

Paralyze godstones > **** proc rate, **** stun duration poison anyway.

I like the above build, except I'm prob sticking with Rune Knife & maybe EoW or Deadly Abandon for the 8th slot.

Jude said:

Very good guide and mostly agree with all but the Flurry cons. "Loses a bit of steam once you get attack speed stats" imo Flurry really shines ONCE you have atk. speed weapons, the gap from 1.5 to 1.1 in atk. is noticiable but is the gain from 1.1 to 0.9 is just insane, and you need Flurry for that.

I'm by no means saying to drop Flurry, I think though that becuase of the nature of it (% increase) it declines in how much of a boost you get from Flurry, I still agree the 0.9 is worth it either way, but you know a .4 gain > .2 gain :p

Just saying, its a minor con.

This post has been edited by Mephs: 27 October 2009 - 10:36 AM
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[faction]

yeah, I mentioned that i'm mostly talking about fighting in the air. I don't really much trouble keeping up with people unless I stop to use fang strike, maybe i'm doing it wrong. Def still need to give rune knife a try at some point in pvp, i've had sigil strike slotted since I got it and never really disliked it though so I can't see myself changing

[Mephs]

Sigil strike admittedly might be better with extendables. I don't know for sure but it sounds a bit more viable. So should fang strike chain though, I imagine.

[Uncle Shags]

This is a newb question, but I did a lot of searching and couldn't find the answer anywhere. Are there levels at which you can begin using more stigmas, or are all 5 slots open in the beginning? For instance, now at 24 I have Sigil Strike and Aethertwisting slotted. Could I also slot Flurry and Ambush when I get that at 25, or are there level related limits to the number of stigma slots available? Also, are there certain types of stigmas that fit in certain types of slots?

Thanks.

[Mephs]

You get 2 slots at 20, 3 at 30, 4 at 40.

I believe you get up to 2 adv. slots at 44-45 (quest) and you get 5th basic at 50 + 1 more adv. slot (quest also)

Edit: Fixed mistakes about adv. stigma unlocking.

This post has been edited by Mephs: 27 October 2009 - 11:56 AM

[branco]

Can you put "normal" stigmas on the advanced slots?

Mephs said:

You get 2 slots at 20, 3 at 30, 4 at 40.

I believe you get up to 2 adv. slots at 44-45 (quest) and you get 5th basic at 50 + 1 more adv. slot (quest also)

Edit: Fixed mistakes about adv. stigma unlocking.

[Mephs]

Yes. /10char

[Kyzara]

faction said:

advanced stigma requirements are all horrible, and the stigmas themselves aren't even very good. not even worth mentioning

shadowwalk and Throw Shuriken aren't even requirements of those Adv. Stigma's and were listed as such. I did not say they were worth taking I was simply pointing out a confusing part of the post. He may of fixed these before you saw my post though.

Are you the same Faction from the AJ forums? Just curious...

[Kaite]

Only advanced stigma I think could be worth it is Lightning Slash or Agonizing Slash. I'd prefer Agonizing, but I like BB over EoW.

[Mephs]

Kyzara said:

shadowwalk and Throw Shuriken aren't even requirements of those Adv. Stigma's and were listed as such. I did not say they were worth taking I was simply pointing out a confusing part of the post. He may of fixed these before you saw my post though.

Are you the same Faction from the AJ forums? Just curious...

Yeah fixed. I c/p'd those lines over by accident =P

[faction]

Kaite said:

Only advanced stigma I think could be worth it is Lightning Slash or Agonizing Slash. I'd prefer Agonizing, but I like BB over EoW.

Yeah they both aren't bad. Might use lightning for my last slot actually.

[Darksky~]

So Mephs, are you going to bother with any of the advanced stigmas at 50? I think I'm just going to fill my advanced stigma slots with regular stigmas. So far I plan to use Aethertwisting, Ambush, Flurry, Rune Knife, Shadow Walk, Blinding Burst, and Throw Shuriken, leaving room for one more stigma which I am undecided on. (It seems to come down to Eye of Wrath versus Deadly Abandon.)