[jusbouthadit]

I have a level 21 Temp that is a wimp. Stats are PD 610, Evasion 562, Block 854, Parry 819, Magic Resist 448. My manastones are Block +14 x6, Block +19 x2, HP +55 and Crit +9. I read in this forum about all the Temps that take minimal damage. My attack is 111, ACC 630 and Crit is 66. HP 2328, MP 1783. I lose life at an alarming rate and need a cleric on me almost full time. I have been experimenting with branding but will save that for another post. I primarily use skills and rarely go into full defensive mode. I run with sword and shield. Any ideas?

[Juris]

Are you talking about in dungeons or solo?

Ive got a friend rolling a temp and he sockets mostly +HP stones. He does fine by himself. Fights take time, but at least he ends the fight with 90% health lol

[jusbouthadit]

Sorry, forgot that part. I usually run in a group with 3-6. If I run 'full defense' solo fights take forever. Don't see where this would be helpful in a group. Feel free to correct me if that is wrong.

[Juris]

If youre pulling more than one mob(which Temps usually do in groups), then yeah your health will drop faster.

What do you mean 'full defense'?

P.S. I recommend using a greatsword for solo work and sword-n-board for groups.

[jusbouthadit]

What I meant was Shield Defense 1, increases Block, PD and Stun Resist by 500 each. Can't be used with another skill.

[onz]

Well to be honest at low lvls templars fail in exping. From lvl 25-27 it is going well (NTC) then Questing till 30 for Fire Temple.

It is just to break the 1-25 lvl line which is a pain in the ***.

[Cooper]

looked at your gear, its on par with what you should have.

with a sword and shield out you should just spam off your skills as fast as you can then hit shield defense for 5-6 seconds till your skills are off cooldown. if you get a block, shoot off both / all 3 of your shield counters. if you use your greatsword instead, you can either do exactly the same thing and just learn to swap weapons effectively (should learn this anyway), or you can time your skills so you get an auto-attack in almost the same time you use your skill. practice using skills close to 2.5 seconds after you pressed the last skill button, speed it up till you're wasting as little time as you think you can.

for surviving:
1: always have odella powders of the highest level you can. they dont' heal much, but 1 herb treatment and sitting till your health ticks up once is enough to get from one mob to the next.
2: lead with rage. the sooner you use rage in a fight, the more likely you'll be able to use it again if the fight takes longer. rage is like regaining 300-ish hp every 20 seconds while in combat.
3: use your skills strategically. use shield bash to interrupt high damage or undesirable enemy skills. after you get Inescapable judgment stigma that works as an interrupt as well.
4: socket more effectively. using low level manastones is a bad idea, so is using a scattered build. wipe all your manastones from your armor, and untill you can socket full crit or whatever else you want, stack full block or full parry. the stones are really cheap even for greens. a good parry or block rate will boost your survivability. just a temporary build. also if you run block, get an up to date shield or your manastones are just playing pickup with your low natural block rate.

[Egarim]

Well, for starters let me say that at lvl 19 I have 2200 HP, and 860 Shield Defense.

I've been told that the good rough estimate for figuring where your SD should be at is 46x your level.

So at 21, yours should roughly be 46x21=966

Now your blocking is calculated as such though.

Your shield defense - your targets accuracy rating/10.

So obviously you wont know what your targets accuracy rating is but....most people are playing the 46x your level and seems to be a pretty safe bet. At any rate, atleast you need to be hitting 966.

Personally, I see no reason a Templar should be slotting Physical Crit. If you cant get close to the soft cap for the crit rate then just dont bother. I am not sure on that formula as I dont have a DPS class BUT if your gonna slot it, you almost need a second set of armor and what I would do is slot a ratio on Physical Crit/HP, and that would be a solo setup. And honestly, that is too much work to me.

I can solo anything just fine all day, yes, things die a bit slow but it is rather easy for us. Templar is very much a group class as are clerics. Both classes main points are aimed at other players, not themselves.

One more thing bud, stay away from any and all parry items. I dont have the full explanation on it, so just do a search on this site but the way it works is if your parry is too high then targets attacks roll against the parry first then the blocking. Which in essence means that you parry more often then you normally would, which means you block less, and that effects your ability to use your best abilities.

And at 19 I have already spent 120,000+ on gear/manastones. Every little bit helps and when I have 300 more hp then the guy next to me, it makes me a more desired tank. Well that, and knowing how to play your class. Point is, your a tank, nothing matters more for you then slotting right and keeping your armor all up to date.

P.S. When buying armor keep this in mind. The exact same two items can have different stats/slot numbers. When I was shopping for my mirage armor, I looked at a dozen gauntlets lets say. Some had two slots, some had three. Some had +parry and some had +blocking. These little things make a HUGE difference. With shield/board I currently have 16 slots. And, about every piece of armor I bought has +blocking/shield defense naturally. If you hit your Blocking Cap only using a few slots because its loaded up on your gear then that leaves ALOT of room for serious HP slotting. Outta 16 slots I only need 4 slots to hit 860 Shield defense....tells you I have ALOT of Shield Defense on my armor without manastones...for the win..

Hope this helps, sorry it was such a rant bud but I have been playing for two weeks and this is what ive learned already. Alittle research goes along way as you can tell. I spend a bit of time telling lvl 30+ things they dont know..../baffle..


EDIT: Ok, ok, sorry for the extension to an already lengthy post but I went and checked out your gear. Just a few things, one, your shield is your bread and butter being a Templar and its lvl 9....you MUST replace that shield bud anyway possible + your gloves are chain....not plate. Notice the stats on them are magical bonuses. Drop the two physical crit stones, and when you can afford replace Shield Defense stones with +16 or +18...when you hit your Block cap then go all +40hp stones. Only reason you wanna produce any dmg out put is to help with agro...other then that, it doesnt matter if your swinging a fly swatter, its not why you were invited into a group. When I am tanking 3 mobs, and rotating between them to taunt each one and maintain agro since I dont have AoE taunt yet, my dmg contribution is minimal but things run smooth because when priest only have to focus on me, it saves mana, and reduces downtime/headaches. Ok....sorry again for the danged lengthy post but now you are wise danielson...

This post has been edited by Egarim: 16 November 2009 - 12:05 AM

[Egg80]

My level 36 templar stacks all crit barr shield (block). What type of mobs are you fighting? There are certain mobs that hit way harder than others (Fire temple) and a couple of hundred more HP will only make you last a few seconds longer. There are group instances for a reason - you aren't expected to take on certain mobs without being healed at the same time (HP may allow the cleric to heal you less).

I remember being level 19 and a glad pulled 3 mobs in black claw (elites), bearing in mind we only had a chanter, no cleric) and then when we all died said, 'aren't templars supposed to be able to tank?!' I won't write what my response was!

If people pull too many mobs then it's up to the cc'ers to control it. Your job is to make sure the free mobs are hitting you. It's the cleric's job to help keep you alive. Once the first mob goes down you need to aggro back the next, and so on... Start asking for the lead in your group, noone pulls except you.

Templars are tough but they aren't terminators.

[jusbouthadit]

Thanks for all the excellent information and opinions. I will start working on upgrading my armor and will be spending more time in armorcrafting to see what I can come up with also. I did upgrade my 2h sword which made a difference in soloing but one of those Tursin mobs still cleaned my clock. Oh well, it was only an experiment. A couple of you have made reference to looking at my armor. Where can this be done?

[Caiden]

As long as you have a minimum of 10,000 hit points at about 42, you'll be fine. Just figure out what works for you before then, you'll get the hang of it.

[Pixi]

Caiden said:

As long as you have a minimum of 10,000 hit points at about 42, you'll be fine. Just figure out what works for you before then, you'll get the hang of it.

10K hit points at 42? Good luck with farming/crafting all those blues/yellows and don't forget to socket only HP MS, you MIGHT get 10K then.

[binauralman]

Caiden said:

As long as you have a minimum of 10,000 hit points at about 42, you'll be fine. Just figure out what works for you before then, you'll get the hang of it.

Stop posting stupidity please!

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[Alizandro]

ppl are over complicating this...to make it easy just know that different types of chars peak at different levels...from what i know of my temp they are late bloomers :D the only thing that is true about a temp at any level in my opinion is that they always hit like a girl.

[kinki]

At 29 i have all crit and works nicely.. u kill a lot faster.. take some odella to help u recover between mobs like some one said.
After my rotation i put SWD and it gives enough block for you to use shield skills.. then back to rotation..

[ComputerKing]

kinki said:

At 29 i have all crit and works nicely.. u kill a lot faster.. take some odella to help u recover between mobs like some one said.
After my rotation i put SWD and it gives enough block for you to use shield skills.. then back to rotation..

QFT.

Crit is what separates us from the animals. Not just in Soloing, but the extra crit damage helps out in groups , and if you have become quick enough to switch between weapon sets when your shield skills are on cooldown, you can wail away with a greatsword, and have a better than average chance of knocking the enemy down for a couple of seconds.

Even with high crit we don't kill fast, but we kill faster than without it, and your health bar will show it when the fight's over.

[Cooper]

jusbouthadit said:

I did upgrade my 2h sword which made a difference in soloing but one of those Tursin mobs still cleaned my clock.

templars can't solo elite mobs till 4x+, and even then, only very specific elites (no nukes of any sort), and you have to chug potions and blow all your cooldowns and even then it can be a very close fight.

[Foxtrot]

Caiden said:

As long as you have a minimum of 10,000 hit points at about 42, you'll be fine. Just figure out what works for you before then, you'll get the hang of it.

This guy srs?

[Cooper]

Foxtrot said:

This guy srs?

i suppose having around 6k hp and being 42 makes me a tremendous fail eh? and here i thought tanking bosses like grand chieftain saendukal, engineer lahulu, and raging kraterr made me a competent tank.
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