[NovaE]

Well, didnt find a similar thread in the short with SF. So, what i want to check is, did anyone yet experience that theres indeed a way to weave with 2H, I mean a way which really increases DPS? We all already know its senseless to weave after every skill, as it more decreases DPS than increasing. But as i felt boring a little while grinding in the last 2 weeks i just played around with weaving.

The result is a weave, specialised on diverse skills, usable easily in a rotation and in a surprise increases DPS.
First, what I do is just casting my base routine for PvE
SW(PW) - WSB - FS(WS+Crippling Cut) - Cleave CH - WSB(Stigma). In that routine i use 2 AA weaves, more would result in the opposite effect. PW and WS. PW: I cast SW and wait 1 sec or less more than usually in my routine and cast in the right moment PW(Pressure Wave) in the result of almost doubeling the DMG on the mob with only 1 skill by adding the DMG of the AA to PW, but skipping its animation(like at Dual Wield). The same goes with WS: Robust Blow - wait 0.5 sec(or a bit more, try to get the timing) - WS with almost doubled DMG.

It is especially insane with atleast 1 critical on the AA or the skill, more sick with 2 crits. For me it always results in killing my beloved orange mobs after WS(+crippling Cut) already and increasing the chance of crits in my routine.

I didnt want to mention this before im not lv 40 and made a testvid, but since servers are down almost a day now and Im bored of that crap NC update fail, I posted this of boreness-.-" and to see if someone actually experienced similar things.

You can check my sig also, i took almost 50% of the HP of an orange lv 40 Abyss Mob by only Pressure Wave comined with 1 skipped AA. The DMG was something like 1300+700.

This post has been edited by NovaE: 19 November 2009 - 06:43 AM

[Asplode]

I've found that doing two attack skills in between each auto is a pretty efficient weave, and a rule of thumb is not to try and set it up where Seismic Wave and Shock Wave are separated by an auto as well. Internalize your auto animation on 3 different settings: normal, atkspd scroll, and scroll+wind and try and minimize the amount of frames between you dealing auto damage and starting an attack skill without skipping the auto.

[NovaE]

Asplode said:

I've found that doing two attack skills in between each auto is a pretty efficient weave, and a rule of thumb is not to try and set it up where Seismic Wave and Shock Wave are separated by an auto as well. Internalize your auto animation on 3 different settings: normal, atkspd scroll, and scroll+wind and try and minimize the amount of frames between you dealing auto damage and starting an attack skill without skipping the auto.

I didnt get 100% what you mean, but
you mean for example: AA(weave) - Ferocious Strike - Robust Blow - AA(Weave) - Wrathul Strike...

this somehow decreases DPS for me, perhaps because FS and RB are fast and powerful skills itself. Wrathful Strike is more powerful but slower, thats why AA is more effective perhaps at it, the same goes for Pressure Wave.

Seismic Wave - Shockwave(Pressure Wave) was with normal skillspamming so low dps yet, but since I use Seismic Wave - AA(Wave) - Pressure Wave, every orange mobs is near 50% down after just those skills.

for better overview perhaps:

Seismic Wave - (AA weave->)Pressure Wave - WSB - Ferocious Strike - Robust Blow - (AA weave->)Wrathful Strike(at this point the target is left with 25% or less hp most of the time) - Crippling Cut.

Well im open for more ways of weaving and I will check yours again and my actually weave very extremely at lv 40 with all that new upgrades *cant wait*:jealous:.

[No,you.]

Gona try your combo asap, you can also wave before Crippling Cut, right after WS, that's what I do when I don't need to use Draining Blow ( full hp or mob almost down, that thing drains MP you know ) or it's on CD.

( off-topic : XenoDrag' from Cabal heh ? )

[Dejh]

Weaving helps a lot, especially in PvP if you use it right. The one piece of advice I have is NEVER weave Aerial Lockdown. I always make the mistake of doing this, and I invariably get a crit knockdown on the weave, so the Aerial Lock fails -_-

[MYTDisruptive]

i've only played a glad for 10-20 but i just use the weave to manage cooldowns, as a filler inbetween chains

[Pookatron]

Dejh said:

Weaving helps a lot, especially in PvP if you use it right. The one piece of advice I have is NEVER weave Aerial Lockdown. I always make the mistake of doing this, and I invariably get a crit knockdown on the weave, so the Aerial Lock fails -_-

I think maybe its just failing. I ALWAYS weave in attack during aerial lockdown and I never have lock just vanishing out of thin air.

I always go autoattack -> aerial lockdown -> autoattack(I will tell you why in a second) -> body smash -> and then smash em into the ground.

And, its only on the rare case that I forget to hit my last skill that I don't max the damage. Also I do double autoattack because I discovered a long time ago, that Aerial lockdown actually resets your attack cycle. So you can actually weave it in before and after for less time then the attack recycle consists.

Just a little note for those that did not know.

[Dejh]

Pookatron said:

I think maybe its just failing. I ALWAYS weave in attack during aerial lockdown and I never have lock just vanishing out of thin air.

I always go autoattack -> aerial lockdown -> autoattack(I will tell you why in a second) -> body smash -> and then smash em into the ground.

And, its only on the rare case that I forget to hit my last skill that I don't max the damage. Also I do double autoattack because I discovered a long time ago, that Aerial lockdown actually resets your attack cycle. So you can actually weave it in before and after for less time then the attack recycle consists.

Just a little note for those that did not know.

If they are knocked down, they can not be Aerial Locked. If the weaved attack before Aerial Lockdown gets a KD, the Aerial Lock will fail, 100% of the time. Meaning, you use the skill, the animation and damage happen, but the condition will not happen. Weaving once they are already locked is fine, and has no negative effects. I'm not quite sure what you are trying to point out in this post, so I'm clarifying what I meant.

[NovaE]

When reached lv 40 tomorrow hopefully, I think I will change my rotation to heavily DPS the crap out of the targets

from distance, Cleave - Great Cleave(RCleave) - WSB - Seismic Wave - (AA weave->)Pressure Wave - FS - RB - (AA weave->)Wrathful Strike - Crippling Cut.

Will post a vid of the results in my next post and perhaps I even try that weave in PvP(AS - WSB - WS/PW weave - Crippling).

This post has been edited by NovaE: 19 November 2009 - 01:06 PM

[Pookatron]

Dejh said:

If they are knocked down, they can not be Aerial Locked. If the weaved attack before Aerial Lockdown gets a KD, the Aerial Lock will fail, 100% of the time. Meaning, you use the skill, the animation and damage happen, but the condition will not happen. Weaving once they are already locked is fine, and has no negative effects. I'm not quite sure what you are trying to point out in this post, so I'm clarifying what I meant.

Ah. I thought you were talking about Getting a crit KD while they are already in aerial lockdown mode. I was baffled by that statement you posted above.

The other issue can be avoided, if you simply watch their status bar. Sometimes lag makes it annoying, but you could wait an additional half a second assuming the attack Crit'd before aerial lockdown if you were about to do so. Or, you could simply not care and choose to use lockdown hoping they wouldn't get knockdown.

Going with RNG that would be acceptable. Someone put a post that KD is 1/10 chance per crit. So even if you had 50% crit by going softcap than using +crit consumbles...thats only a 1/20 chance for KD.

So every 1/20 times you do the combo I stated above, you will hit a KD opponent. Every other time you will max your damage. That seems acceptable to me.

Besides, if they do get KD, you'll still get a lot of the damage off regardless. A.Lockdown damage will hit. And using my example body smash would hit, and maybe even the autoattack as they run(assuming they are a kite class and root you, your weapon range will likely proc just at the edge of its range max). So the only real damage that you would definitely not hit them with is smashing them into the ground.

Taking that into consideration. the 1/20 proc seems even more acceptable.

[gummby8]

The only time I ever AA during a chain is directly after Pressure Wave. Because there is no delay, half the time if you try to spam a skill right after Pressure Wave you still see an AA swing fire off in between.

[GunGraver]

gummby8 said:

The only time I ever AA during a chain is directly after Pressure Wave. Because there is no delay, half the time if you try to spam a skill right after Pressure Wave you still see an AA swing fire off in between.

^ This

So far It seems the perfect spot for a AA.

[NovaE]

Found a perfect way for my Weave to be very effective:

Cleave - Great Cleave(RC) - Seismic - (AA Weave->)Pressure Wave - FS - RB - (AA Weave)WS - Crippling - WSB - Seismic - Shock

"...Seismic - (AA Weave->)Pressure Wave - FS - RB - (AA Weave)WS - Crippling..."
^
FS after Pressure Wave, just because you can start casting it already before even landed on ground with Pressure Wave.

Increased my main DPS even more, vid follows this week.

This post has been edited by NovaE: 25 November 2009 - 06:39 PM