[Deception]

I would hope the community could get an official response from NCSoft (Tamat, Ayase) on whether or not Damage Meters are ok for use in Aion.

On the one hand, the meters are posted here for download and have not been removed. Example: http://www.aionsourc...meter-aion.html

And an aionsource moderator previously said:

Chalky said:

At AionSource, we are an official Aion fan site which means we do not allow any EULA violating content to be posted. The topic of this thread has been deemed not eula violating at this time by the NCSoft staff that have been consulted on the issue and we have been told that it is safe to remain here.

On the other hand, everyone has heard the numerous hearsay stories of a guildie or "someone" getting banned for using one. Every DPS meter thread is inevitably filled with posts like: "I know xx number of people who've been banned for using them."

So, how can we be sure?

Can we please end the speculation and just get an official response from NCSoft (Tamat/Ayase)?

Thanks in advance :)

This post has been edited by Deception: 14 January 2010 - 03:05 PM

[Rheonry]

/bump ^^
Would like to see a clarification on this.

[Seraphin]

I do hope you get a sufficient answer as well from one of them, although it's very infrequent that any of them visit this particular forum. General usually sees more "action" in terms of CM visits.

The only thing I know is that generally, if it doesn't require altering/editing/changing the client's files, it's usually ok. I'd find it very difficult to believe anyone was banned for using those DPS meters (it's more likely they used something much more naughty but didn't want to own up to it, hehe).

Hopefully you get some solid info though!

[Tamat]

I've replied to similar threads in the past, but I don't mind reiterating my stance on this. I love DPS parsers! Heck, I use them myself. We don't ban people for using DPS parsers but rather for the use of third party software that manipulates your characters movements. The software rule is in place to stop botters, hackers and cheaters of an equal feather -- not prevent our community from coming up with helpful programs like ACT.

For those who see this as a great excuse to use after being banned for botting: we can see the difference between damage parsers and bot software. If you're botting, we'll know.

[Seraphin]

Whoo, Tamat is on a roll visiting our little Q&A forum! I feel so discombobulated!


(I think he was just trying to prove me wrong about them not visiting this subforum, yup yup! Uh huh!) ;)

[Deception]

Tamat said:

I've replied to similar threads in the past, but I don't mind reiterating my stance on this. I love DPS parsers! Heck, I use them myself. We don't ban people for using DPS parsers but rather for the use of third party software that manipulates your characters movements.

Tamat, thank you so much for responding and clarifying this once and for all. :)

[Jerk]

Tamat said:

I've replied to similar threads in the past, but I don't mind reiterating my stance on this. I love DPS parsers! Heck, I use them myself. We don't ban people for using DPS parsers but rather for the use of third party software that manipulates your characters movements. The software rule is in place to stop botters, hackers and cheaters of an equal feather -- not prevent our community from coming up with helpful programs like ACT.

For those who see this as a great excuse to use after being banned for botting: we can see the difference between damage parsers and bot software. If you're botting, we'll know.

Thank you! I love ACT too :love:

[Dragonminer]

Nice Have to Try this now!

[Rheonry]

Good thing to know! Thanks a lot, Tamat! ^^

[setzer1411]

How about application similar to this ?

Pete's AION Radar

or

http://aion.villaget...read.php?tid=87

Personally I don't think they should be allowed, as they give some players a unfair advantage.

This post has been edited by setzer1411: 15 January 2010 - 02:19 PM

[llCloNell]

^ id be interested to know this aswell considering how many ive seen out there i believe they should be against the rules myself.

[Freetobe]

setzer1411 said:

How about application similar to this ?

Pete's AION Radar

or

[Release] aRadar (AION 1.5.1.4)

Personally I don't think they should be allowed, as they give some players a unfair advantage.

True

If you check that site you'll find some mod utilities.

I'v been talking about it sometime , it seems in aion the mod comunity is very close to the exploit one ...

It would be nice to have some kind of "suported" software list. Since it's inevitable to become a conflict when ppl using a third party software that changes the bars use the same engine that some exploites do.

Even now , some ppl asked for a Black background on the chat , this can be done by just altering the files . We can also change the looks of the ui , but the same procedure is used to enable seeing our enemy hp leaving them to be detected as the same hack.

So even if you say that altering the files in that way isn't a banable offence , how can you tell what alteration to the files is beeing used ?

I know everyone can understand what is a banable offence and what isn't , but I know that many will use the advantage that an exploit brings. How can you tell the diference if they'r so close together and be able to tell if someone is changin his pak files for ui altering , or cheating ?

This post has been edited by Freetobe: 18 January 2010 - 09:01 PM

[Arwydd]

Hmmm good stuff to know! I was kinda under the impression that any additions to the game violated the EULA, but I'm glad ya'll seem to understand! :3

@Tamat: On a similar but slightly unrelated note... would you mind chiming in on NCSoft's stance on the chatbox transparency modfication? (In the thread "Is there a way to make the chat window darker?")

[Via01]

Tamat said:

I've replied to similar threads in the past, but I don't mind reiterating my stance on this. I love DPS parsers! Heck, I use them myself. We don't ban people for using DPS parsers but rather for the use of third party software that manipulates your characters movements. The software rule is in place to stop botters, hackers and cheaters of an equal feather -- not prevent our community from coming up with helpful programs like ACT.

For those who see this as a great excuse to use after being banned for botting: we can see the difference between damage parsers and bot software. If you're botting, we'll know.

I think you just opened Pandora's box here :(. So 3rd party programs that change my UI, or help gather, or warn of the other faction or help with my sells would be fine to use? From reading the EULA...it led me to believe any 3rd party program could get you into trouble.

Solution for this: Put a official page accessed from the aion site listing which addons you can use with the game

[Vitiate]

I was using a 3rd party program as an experience timer but stopped as I was afraid I would get dinged for botting. Even though I was never automating my grind with it.

[Seraphin]

I don't think Tamat's post was meant to act as a license to use anything as long as it's not a straight botting program. There are ones out there that would most likely be against the rules even though it's not a botting program. They can't exactly post a list of what's allowed and what's not, because that list would always be used against them to "bend the rules". That's probably a can of worms they'd prefer to not open.

Common sense will be the best factor in trying to decide if it's "ok", especially seeing as how the game doesn't allow real modification the way other MMOs do with LUA/scripting/etc. I'm thinking in general, anything that "helps" you do actions better/faster or see/do things you shouldn't be able to see otherwise would be off limits.

[Arwydd]

What's wrong with saying what kinds of modifications are okay? And no, Tamat never said that everything that isn't a bot is homefree. It's pretty clear they intend anything that gives a user an unfair advantage. DPS parsers don't do that. What I want to know is if a modification that darkens the chat window would also be considered allowable. Please, Tamat!

[Freetobe]

The main problem is ...

I can get a zoom hack ! That's not a big problem .... but wait ... all zoomhacks have gravity hacks / bots or radars included ... so no zoom hack

I can alter the pak files thus changing some aspects of the UI ! But waiitt that file can also be altered to get hp values from targets ... so no go .

I can get XP/hour and some other values trough Cion ... but it also has options to enable radar bots and other stuff ... so thats also .. a no go

I can change how the bars look and were they are .... but this is done trough an external program that reads and writes memory ... like a bot ... so thats a no go .

If they allow us to mod the ui they will have no way to detect who's using a radar or who's just using a mod .

Untill they add full support for mods , Having this kind of moding has 2 options , or you can ppl that weren't doing nothing that would give an advantage , or beeing unable to detect exploits

This post has been edited by Freetobe: 19 January 2010 - 12:51 PM

[Arwydd]

Blizzard seems to manage just fine with allowing mods and controlling bots. :\ The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Freetobe]

Have you read my post ?

in most games you have a programable ui and addons supported by the client.

So they can restrick what an addon does , leaving exploits and hacks for external programs.

At this moment on aion Everything is an external program / or a alteration of the game files .

And most ui mods use engines made for cheating. and most of them actually give hacking options.

So either we get bans for modding the ui... or We can ALL cheat cause they can't detect exploits .

I would like to get an official answer about this , yeah devs we want to know how you'r gona stop what happened in lineage 2

This post has been edited by Freetobe: 20 January 2010 - 06:33 PM